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	<title>Comments on: jquery.com temporarily down</title>
	<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down</link>
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		<title>By: Misty S. Boyer</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-49235</link>
		<dc:creator>Misty S. Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-49235</guid>
		<description>Wow, Thomas.  Neither Karl nor John have said anything remotely negative about you or your company, and yet here you are with accusations of lying, blame-shifting, spreading misinformation, and putting your customers at risk by being grossly negligent.

Do you realize the colossal lack of professionalism it takes to go on a high-traffic site and bad-mouth the owner AND a former client in one fell swoop?  Especially when neither of them have done the same to you?  

I'm a jQuery user who visits this site all the time.  Never commented before now.  But I would really like it if someone could let me know what company Thomas represents, because I do not want to make the mistake of hosting myself, my clients, or allowing my network to host with a company which will spread my BUSINESS online under any circumstances, especially in such a mean-spirited and smarmy manner.

Just poor form from top to bottom.  It just smacks of '90s hosting when it was just one guy in a basement whose idea of "technical support" was to alternately ignore and then insult you via typo-ridden e-mail.  And then go online and tell everyone that you were at fault.

I really hope you're not an (mt) guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Thomas.  Neither Karl nor John have said anything remotely negative about you or your company, and yet here you are with accusations of lying, blame-shifting, spreading misinformation, and putting your customers at risk by being grossly negligent.</p>
<p>Do you realize the colossal lack of professionalism it takes to go on a high-traffic site and bad-mouth the owner AND a former client in one fell swoop?  Especially when neither of them have done the same to you?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a jQuery user who visits this site all the time.  Never commented before now.  But I would really like it if someone could let me know what company Thomas represents, because I do not want to make the mistake of hosting myself, my clients, or allowing my network to host with a company which will spread my BUSINESS online under any circumstances, especially in such a mean-spirited and smarmy manner.</p>
<p>Just poor form from top to bottom.  It just smacks of &#8217;90s hosting when it was just one guy in a basement whose idea of &#8220;technical support&#8221; was to alternately ignore and then insult you via typo-ridden e-mail.  And then go online and tell everyone that you were at fault.</p>
<p>I really hope you&#8217;re not an (mt) guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5702</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5702</guid>
		<description>@Thomas: 
I appreciate your telling the hosting company's side of the story. However, I think your accusations are misplaced. You wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nice try shifting the blame on the hosting company with lies and misinfomation
though.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I was doing nothing of the sort. I'm surprised you would take offense at my words, because all I said about the situation was "the jquery.com web site is down." To me that seems like a pretty innocuous statement, written in the passive voice, ascribing no agency whatsoever. 

You wrote, "the author of this article is apparently not a big fan of fact checking." Well, since I was merely quoting what John Resig had written elsewhere as a service to the jQuery community, I didn't think it was necessary. If I had included my own interpretation of events or commented on the quote in any way, certainly some fact checking would have been in order. 

Anyway, I think you're arguing with (and accusing) the wrong person here. Take another look at my words -- in the article and in my comments -- and you will see that I blamed nobody (except perhaps the perpetrators of the DDoS, when I wrote that their action was "thoughtless"). 

Do me a favor: show me where I try to shift blame, and quote to me my lies and misinformation. If you can do so, I will apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thomas:<br />
I appreciate your telling the hosting company&#8217;s side of the story. However, I think your accusations are misplaced. You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nice try shifting the blame on the hosting company with lies and misinfomation<br />
though.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I was doing nothing of the sort. I&#8217;m surprised you would take offense at my words, because all I said about the situation was &#8220;the jquery.com web site is down.&#8221; To me that seems like a pretty innocuous statement, written in the passive voice, ascribing no agency whatsoever. </p>
<p>You wrote, &#8220;the author of this article is apparently not a big fan of fact checking.&#8221; Well, since I was merely quoting what John Resig had written elsewhere as a service to the jQuery community, I didn&#8217;t think it was necessary. If I had included my own interpretation of events or commented on the quote in any way, certainly some fact checking would have been in order. </p>
<p>Anyway, I think you&#8217;re arguing with (and accusing) the wrong person here. Take another look at my words &#8212; in the article and in my comments &#8212; and you will see that I blamed nobody (except perhaps the perpetrators of the DDoS, when I wrote that their action was &#8220;thoughtless&#8221;). </p>
<p>Do me a favor: show me where I try to shift blame, and quote to me my lies and misinformation. If you can do so, I will apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5699</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5699</guid>
		<description>How could this blemish the other host?  You don't even have the full story.  Please do read on before passing judgment.  

Not only can the web bring out the worst in people, it can also bring out
misinformation (who’da thunk it?!)

The author of this article is apparently not a big fan of fact checking. The fact is
that the customer’s server was hacked twice, and the attacks that occurred as a
result affected all customers on 
the server for a brief period of time in both cases. Efforts were made to protect
all customers on the server, including the server hosting jquery.com. Assistance was
offered by the hosting company to 
determine the method of attack after the first attack. No response was given to the
hosting company from the customer in regards to the aforementioned offering of
assistance.

If a customer fails to maintain control over their server multiple times, resulting
in attacks that can negatively affect performance of all customers on the server,
then that customer will be asked 
to leave. One customer’s website and needs do not trump the needs of the customer
base on the server as a whole.

The customer in this case was not shut off by the hosting company, immediate actions
were taken in both cases to protect everyone on the server, and the customer was
informed that he could keep his 
hosting services with us, but that the attacked site would need to find a new host.

If you are going to assume the role of a Linux system’s administrator, then you must
do your duty to be one. It is not the hosting company’s fault that the customer’s
server was hacked and DDoSd (not 
DoSd), nor is it the hosting company’s fault that the local system’s administrator
(customer) failed to investigate the issue to patch the hole, resulting in the
second attack which prompted the 
hosting company to inform the customer that the site would need to find a new home.
Nice try shifting the blame on the hosting company with lies and misinfomation
though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could this blemish the other host?  You don&#8217;t even have the full story.  Please do read on before passing judgment.  </p>
<p>Not only can the web bring out the worst in people, it can also bring out<br />
misinformation (who’da thunk it?!)</p>
<p>The author of this article is apparently not a big fan of fact checking. The fact is<br />
that the customer’s server was hacked twice, and the attacks that occurred as a<br />
result affected all customers on<br />
the server for a brief period of time in both cases. Efforts were made to protect<br />
all customers on the server, including the server hosting jquery.com. Assistance was<br />
offered by the hosting company to<br />
determine the method of attack after the first attack. No response was given to the<br />
hosting company from the customer in regards to the aforementioned offering of<br />
assistance.</p>
<p>If a customer fails to maintain control over their server multiple times, resulting<br />
in attacks that can negatively affect performance of all customers on the server,<br />
then that customer will be asked<br />
to leave. One customer’s website and needs do not trump the needs of the customer<br />
base on the server as a whole.</p>
<p>The customer in this case was not shut off by the hosting company, immediate actions<br />
were taken in both cases to protect everyone on the server, and the customer was<br />
informed that he could keep his<br />
hosting services with us, but that the attacked site would need to find a new host.</p>
<p>If you are going to assume the role of a Linux system’s administrator, then you must<br />
do your duty to be one. It is not the hosting company’s fault that the customer’s<br />
server was hacked and DDoSd (not<br />
DoSd), nor is it the hosting company’s fault that the local system’s administrator<br />
(customer) failed to investigate the issue to patch the hole, resulting in the<br />
second attack which prompted the<br />
hosting company to inform the customer that the site would need to find a new home.<br />
Nice try shifting the blame on the hosting company with lies and misinfomation<br />
though.</p>
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		<title>By: jLover</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5589</link>
		<dc:creator>jLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5589</guid>
		<description>Why not Sourceforge.net.  Seems a happy place for similar libraries (for example YUI is hosted there).  Pluses - SVN, it is free and dedicated to open source and handles a ton of traffic and I am sure can handle the ddos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not Sourceforge.net.  Seems a happy place for similar libraries (for example YUI is hosted there).  Pluses - SVN, it is free and dedicated to open source and handles a ton of traffic and I am sure can handle the ddos.</p>
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		<title>By: (bs.)</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5585</link>
		<dc:creator>(bs.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5585</guid>
		<description>While Mike makes a great point that we would all like to know who that previous host was, I think it was actually showed quite a lot of class and integrity that John did not blemish the other host. We, honestly, don't need to know who it was and the issue is resolved and jQuery is on a new host and all is well - in the long run, this will only be for the better - not to mention that its just more professional to NOT say anything.

Bravo, John and Karl! Your character precedes you both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Mike makes a great point that we would all like to know who that previous host was, I think it was actually showed quite a lot of class and integrity that John did not blemish the other host. We, honestly, don&#8217;t need to know who it was and the issue is resolved and jQuery is on a new host and all is well - in the long run, this will only be for the better - not to mention that its just more professional to NOT say anything.</p>
<p>Bravo, John and Karl! Your character precedes you both.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5482</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5482</guid>
		<description>Thanks a lot for the offer, Jonathan. I'll pass it on to John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for the offer, Jonathan. I&#8217;ll pass it on to John.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lambert</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5481</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5481</guid>
		<description>I'd be happy to provide you guys with a free mirror or server.  We have a GigE line from XO that I use to run other open source projects - our business is 98% Drupal and of course owe a lot to jquery.

Be in touch if you want more help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be happy to provide you guys with a free mirror or server.  We have a GigE line from XO that I use to run other open source projects - our business is 98% Drupal and of course owe a lot to jquery.</p>
<p>Be in touch if you want more help.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5477</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5477</guid>
		<description>I definitely understand your concern, Mike, but I'm not in a position to say. Not sure if John will or not, but it's his call to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely understand your concern, Mike, but I&#8217;m not in a position to say. Not sure if John will or not, but it&#8217;s his call to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5465</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 16:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5465</guid>
		<description>Can you let us know who the &lt;em&gt;previous&lt;/em&gt; web host was?  Any business that would kick you off their servers rather than working with you to block a DDoS attack will not get any of my business.  And I want to be sure to steer my clients away from them as well.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you let us know who the <em>previous</em> web host was?  Any business that would kick you off their servers rather than working with you to block a DDoS attack will not get any of my business.  And I want to be sure to steer my clients away from them as well.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5447</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.learningjquery.com/2007/05/jquerycom-temporarily-down#comment-5447</guid>
		<description>Good questions, Peter. Seems thoughtless to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good questions, Peter. Seems thoughtless to me.</p>
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